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1985 2wd Base Newbie Build Suggestions

Ali

New Member
So I recently had a chance to go off-roading in Sedona for the first time and caught the bug. Rather than do the smart thing and buy a 4wd capable truck, I want to explore some of my future short-term and long-term options with my current truck, with an emphasis on getting the most bang for my buck, with relative ease. I'm thinking about doing the following upgrades in order over the next few years, with an emphasis on long term value and opening myself up for a 4WD. Feel free to answer any of the many stupid questions I've presented..

I. Suspension

Currently, my entire front end is shot and the shop recommends that I replace Front & Rear Shocks, Radius Arm Bushings, Upper Control Arm Bushings, Center Link, and Inner And Outer Tie Rods. So I figure this is as good a time to upgrade as any. At the moment I am looking at getting a Fabtech 3.5" suspension lift kit. Some mention that the truck will still ride a little low toward the read after installation, and I've been looking at 4crawler for some body lift options (Toyota Pickup/Hilux Body Lift Kit Pricing/Ordering Page)

Body Lift Questions (Note: I have a 2WD Automatic):

1) Other than the fact that I may look a little douchy, is there a technical reason I should not go with a 3" lift option?
2) The typical kit seems to be the (D) Ultimate Lift Blocks, Standard grade hardware, (FB) Front bumper brackets--listed as 4WD only, and (RAD) Radiator drop brackets. Should I even bother with the (FB) option if I have a 2WD?

What about the other body lift items listed?
3) (SL) Shift lever extension, does it apply to automatics?
3.5) The A/T bracket and extension are for the 4wd model, should I go ahead and skip them for my truck?
4) (SE) Steering shaft extension?
5) (BS) Bed Spacers?
6) (P) Polyurethane cab mount bushings?
7) Is there a better kit I should be looking at aside from the one provided by 4crawler?

II. Accessories and winches

As far as functionality and getting stuck in the mud, I was thinking about getting a winch.

8) Do you guys have any mid-range winch recommendations?
9) Anything else worth looking into?


III. SAS

10) If I go with a solid-axle swap, should I skip the 2WD Fabtech lift option?
11) What axle is best for this and would be good for a future 4WD conversion? (Not sure if I read it correctly, but I think its been mentioned that using a Chevy S10 axle works and is better? If so what years?)
12) Is there a conversion kit or other parts I should consider before committing the solid front axle? (i.e. do all the other suspension and steering components change?)
13) What suspension lift should I consider with the axle? ProComp?


IV. Transmission

My A340 automatic is on its way out (it leaks and struggles going into overdrive). I am thinking about doing 5-speed conversion in the future. I already have a clutch pedal assembly sitting in the garage and shorter drive shaft.
14) Should I be on the lookout for a W56-A transmission or something else, if I retain the 22R? Or if I want to go 4WD in the future (I know advanced Adapters makes such a transfer case adapter..)
 

tbplus10

Moderator
Staff member
1000 Posts
Community Leader
Alright Ali, I've been preaching for years drivers need to learn the art of "Driving Elegantly", this is how you drive an underpowered, under suspensioned, under equipped vehicle into a place it would never be expected to go, and it gets there without being beaten to death.
Back in the day before 4x4's were envisioned vehicles were going places they should never have been.
So how does this pertain to you?
The platform you have is unarguably the best 2 wheel drive starter project for this education.
I've owned a couple of them, including a new 86 Deluxe in the day.
The fabtech set-up is a great start for the front, then you can either go with a spring over axle swap for the rear springs using stock components, or fab in a 2 link mid-size 68-72 GM mid size sedan rear axle coil spring set-up. This will make it sit close to level and allow great articulation.
Learn how to drive, repair, and build this configuration first, then work into a SAS as your driving skills get better. Knowing how to smartly get your 2wd truck where your friends are taking their 4x4 trucks Is a huge skill, then upgrade it.
Adding a e locker axle from a 97-04 Tacoma would be a great addition to your skills.
 

Ali

New Member
Thank you for the kind suggestions! I've been lurking various boards for years and finally have some money to blow on it. I recognize that the age of the truck makes it a very mature marketplace. With all the information and products out there its hard to know whats best for me and what I am not really considering. Will add them research list and keep an eye out for the axles you've mentioned. It's funny because my other two vehicles are literally a 1997 Bonneville SSEi and an 08 Tacoma :).. a bit off in years but I know what to be on the lookout for.

I will place the Fabtech order for the kit and get the rest of the worn suspension/steering parts on Rockauto this weekend!
 
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toyotafan

Toyota Truck Club Founder
Staff member
1000 Posts
So I recently had a chance to go off-roading in Sedona for the first time and caught the bug. Rather than do the smart thing and buy a 4wd capable truck, I want to explore some of my future short-term and long-term options with my current truck, with an emphasis on getting the most bang for my buck, with relative ease. I'm thinking about doing the following upgrades in order over the next few years, with an emphasis on long term value and opening myself up for a 4WD. Feel free to answer any of the many stupid questions I've presented..

I. Suspension

Currently, my entire front end is shot and the shop recommends that I replace Front & Rear Shocks, Radius Arm Bushings, Upper Control Arm Bushings, Center Link, and Inner And Outer Tie Rods. So I figure this is as good a time to upgrade as any. At the moment I am looking at getting a Fabtech 3.5" suspension lift kit. Some mention that the truck will still ride a little low toward the read after installation, and I've been looking at 4crawler for some body lift options (Toyota Pickup/Hilux Body Lift Kit Pricing/Ordering Page)

Body Lift Questions (Note: I have a 2WD Automatic):

1) Other than the fact that I may look a little douchy, is there a technical reason I should not go with a 3" lift option?
2) The typical kit seems to be the (D) Ultimate Lift Blocks, Standard grade hardware, (FB) Front bumper brackets--listed as 4WD only, and (RAD) Radiator drop brackets. Should I even bother with the (FB) option if I have a 2WD?

What about the other body lift items listed?
3) (SL) Shift lever extension, does it apply to automatics?
3.5) The A/T bracket and extension are for the 4wd model, should I go ahead and skip them for my truck?
4) (SE) Steering shaft extension?
5) (BS) Bed Spacers?
6) (P) Polyurethane cab mount bushings?
7) Is there a better kit I should be looking at aside from the one provided by 4crawler?

II. Accessories and winches

As far as functionality and getting stuck in the mud, I was thinking about getting a winch.

8) Do you guys have any mid-range winch recommendations?
9) Anything else worth looking into?


III. SAS

10) If I go with a solid-axle swap, should I skip the 2WD Fabtech lift option?
11) What axle is best for this and would be good for a future 4WD conversion? (Not sure if I read it correctly, but I think its been mentioned that using a Chevy S10 axle works and is better? If so what years?)
12) Is there a conversion kit or other parts I should consider before committing the solid front axle? (i.e. do all the other suspension and steering components change?)
13) What suspension lift should I consider with the axle? ProComp?


IV. Transmission

My A340 automatic is on its way out (it leaks and struggles going into overdrive). I am thinking about doing 5-speed conversion in the future. I already have a clutch pedal assembly sitting in the garage and shorter drive shaft.
14) Should I be on the lookout for a W56-A transmission or something else, if I retain the 22R? Or if I want to go 4WD in the future (I know advanced Adapters makes such a transfer case adapter..)
Ahh, there are some great off road trucks out there. Just weighing in to say hi and post pics!
 

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